Tabs make me crazy,,,

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Jim Baritone

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Dec 2, 2012
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I know that "tablature" is a tremendously popular and common way for guitarists to write down songs. I have to admit that a) it drives me crazy, and b) I don't find that I can learn songs from it.

There's a third disadvantage which I'll get to in a moment.

If someone can suggest a good well-described method of learning to read and use tabs, I'd be grateful.

However, a guitar player who can only read tabs is at a huge disadvantage wheh it comes time to work with other musicians, usually at the pro or semi-pro level. Here's why. Just about everyone who learns an instrument _other_ than guitar learns, as part of his/her training, to read music written conventionally on staff paper - five lines and four spaces (e,g.b,d,f and a,c,g,e) (Every Good Boy Deserves Fun and All Cows Eat Grass was the memonic I learned it by). That's in Treble Clef, which covers the higher notes. Bass Clef is also written on a five-line four-space staff. At the beginning of the piece, there's a clef sign, a time signature, often a tempo, always a key signature. So, all musicians who learn to play instruments OTHER than guitar learn to read music written in this way, and learn to play the notes on their instrument according to what's written on the staff.

Oh, and I forgot to mention that notes in written music can have different durations, depending on their shape. An fat oval note indicates a "Whole note, which lasts four beats. A fat oval with a stick on one side is a half note, worth two beats. If the note is a solid, filled in oval, with a stick, it's a quarter note, normally worth one beat. There are other marking for faster notes. There are a variety of other symbols included in written music - repeated sections, rests (where you lay out while others are playing), key changes, changes in time signature. The most common time is 4/4, waltz time is 3/4, and there are also 6/8, 5/4, and a mutitude of others. Also, if you're playing along and the key you're in says the "F" you're coming to is actually "F sharp", a small symbol called a "natural" next to the note tells you to play F, not F sharp. These are just a few things that a page of written music will tell you.

The point is that EVERYONE who has learned to play music, and to play "written music", uses this system.

So, there you are, Joe Hot-Shoe guitarist, and you're meeting with, say, a bassist, a drummer, a piano player, maybe a sax or trumpet player. Most or all of these people will know how to learn songs from conventional written music, not from tablature. If you, on the other hand, have never learned to read music, and the band leader passes out a chart of a song the band is learning, you're going to feel really, really stupid and really embarrased. And, more to the point, you won't, in most cases, be able to play something that fits in with what everyone else is playing.

"Written Music" in Western music is a system evolved over the last 350+ years. There's a lot more to it that what I've mentioned, but leave that for now.

The real point is that if you take a sheet of tabs over to your piano player, he'll say, "Say What?" or something less polite, and so will all the others. It's true that what are called "Lead Sheets" are basically the melody written out, and chord symbols written above the staff. These serve two purposes - the bass player will use them quite often, but they provide a tonal framework for soloing for everyone else. When you play a song from a lead sheet, and play a solo if you're a piano, sax, trumpet, or whatever player, the chords give you an idea of what notes will fit, and what won't.

So, it comes back to the question: if you are going to play the guitar with groups that include instruments other than guitar, bass, or drums, you''ll need to know how to learn music. Because tabs are a "shortcut" way for guitarists who can't read music to learn tunes, but nobody else plays tunes from tabs.

So, FWIW, it's worth learning to read music and at least basics music theory - keys, major and minor scales, all sorts of chords, and how they're written "on the staff" as well as "G7" or "Emin". Because if you do intend to play with groups like that, professionally or not, reading music is an essential. Without it, you're illiterate in terms of how all other musicians read and play music. (I'm excluding self-taught prodigies, who can't read music either. They're the exception, not the rule).

I really wish the people who dash off a tab sheet would give their heads a shake. They're not doing us, as guitarists, any favours.

Me, I'm hopeless with tabs. I have to sit down and transcribe every tab sheet into "real" written music, even if only a lead sheet. Maybe I'll learn to read tabs eventually. But for the guitarist who wants to work with other instruments, learning to read music is essential.

Here endith the lesson. My two bits worth of it anyhow.

Jim Bari.

Well, that didn't take long. I got an e-mail from a fellow insomniac Squireaholic protesting that it's way to hard to play while trying to read music. Nonsense. When you start out learning music, you begin with the most basic parts, and gradually add more and more elements to your toolkit. Once you've learned it, it's the same as reading, or driving a car. Your brain follows the instructions more or less automatically, leaving your "active concentration" free to focus on what you're doing, and more importantly, what everyone else is doing.
JB
 
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BiggBaddWolf

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Aug 2, 2011
1,005
Springfield Missouri
Tablature is just another tool to help musicians, and I have indeed learned a lot of things from tablature, but I also find that you need to be somewhat familiar with the tune you are playing for tablature to be effective. Other than that I do play by ear, and have a pretty grasp on how to play lead solos over chords. Sure if I were playing some classical piece it would be almost essential to be able to understand music notation, but for the music I play I get along fine :)
 

woolbrig

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Apr 16, 2010
3,779
IL
Fortunately tab works great for me. I don't play with other musicians and if I had to learn to read music efficient enough to play I'd probably quit playing!


That said, I can read music and do use the musical notation for timing, I just use the notes to play. I hate to try to play a song without the actual music. So actually I guess I don't like tab by its self after all!
 
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joeybigO

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Jan 3, 2011
436
Miami, FL (don't ask)
Well, I think that tabs are a close second only to the invention of bacon.

For me the guitarists that I like have a pattern. I'm an engineer by trade and we have a program that looks at engines health, and it's up o the user to spot the spike and what to repair. So trends and patterns are easy to recognize for me.

With that being said most guitarists go to a pattern. They try not to, but there not looking at it from my end. For example The Edge from U2 hangs out at either the A or the E at the high E. All I have to figure out is the pick technique or the strumming pattern. So that's when tabs come in handy, I can just see what the pattern is before playing it. And on top of that it gets easier the more use it gets.
 

YeahDoIt

Squier-holic
Jan 14, 2010
2,111
Florida, USA
Tabs are easy and convenient. I agree with you that standard music notation has a lot more information and is better sometimes.
 

horax

Dr. Squier
Aug 9, 2010
6,300
colorado springs
I don't think people who write tab put much thought behinv it. You could easily tie notes together in the proper order and timing framework.if they used actual measures and ties for 8th notes, etc.

That's the part I find frustrating...timing.
 

Twangmeister

Squier-Nut
Jan 12, 2012
977
North Carolina
I've been playing guitar too long to benefit from the tab revolution and am too unschooled to read a piano chart in standard notation. So I have gradually improved my reading skills for reading "regular" guitar charts--the ones in standard notation with single note lines written traditionally and chord names written above the staff.

But once in a while I get a duplicate of the piano chart for my part. Nothing like trying to figure out what that note staff with bunches of notes really means. So I use my ears. Then the bandleader says--OK, guitar, play from measure 43 to 67" and I'm clueless.:eek:

But I really appreciate tab for those that can read and use it.
 

Jim Baritone

Squier-holic
Dec 2, 2012
1,027
Northern Alberta, Canada
Well, I think that tabs are a close second only to the invention of bacon.

For me the guitarists that I like have a pattern. I'm an engineer by trade and we have a program that looks at engines health, and it's up o the user to spot the spike and what to repair. So trends and patterns are easy to recognize for me.

With that being said most guitarists go to a pattern. They try not to, but there not looking at it from my end. For example The Edge from U2 hangs out at either the A or the E at the high E. All I have to figure out is the pick technique or the strumming pattern. So that's when tabs come in handy, I can just see what the pattern is before playing it. And on top of that it gets easier the more use it gets.

Yep. I spent quite a few years doing R&D engineering, as well as some other data network security stuff later on. So, I understand perfectly where you're coming from when you talk about patterns. I guess part of my problem is that my first career was playing sax professionally, so it was a survival skill to be able to sit down and read a chart cold. But, having said that, I had probably been studying theory for at least 12 years, as well as learning to play.

However, my frustration reached a new high today. I'm a big fan of Dire Straits.and of Mark Knopfler, both as a player and as a composer. So, some of the tunes I've started to work on are his. He's a fingerstyle player, and I have been learning the same technique from the get-go, so a lot of it makes sense. Some of the solos, like the ones in "Sultans of Swing", I figure I'll learn in about five years. Yeah, there are patterns - MK likes fast triplets, for instance, rising a tone or a half-tone after each one. But that's far, far beyond me right now.

Anyhow, as I was saying, today my frustration level reached the point where I finally did something about it. I have a couple of good programs for writing music on the computer, but they don't read tabs. And I've got tab sheets for some of the tunes I want to learn, but no lead sheet.

So in order to make "translation" and transcription a bit easier, I drew up a sheet with a conventional staff- five lines and four spaces, on top, and a 6-line tablature row underneath. I didn't bother putting in bar lines or anything, just made a basic template with one over the other. It'll be pencil and paper and probably checking some notes on the piano, but it'll be better than ripping out what little hair I have left in fistfuls.

So here it is, in a jpg format image that just fits nicely onto a sheet of 8 1/2 x 11 in MS Word if you set the margins to "Narrow". I tried to upload it as a Word document and as a PDF, but both exceeded the permitted file size. So, it'll be copy, paste, and print. Use and enjoy - at least I hope a few people will find this useful. :)

Jiim Bari
 

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Jim Baritone

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Dec 2, 2012
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Northern Alberta, Canada
If you can read music notation why bother with tab?

A good question. Here's the answer.

A lot of guitar tunes - take "Layla" by Eric Clapton for instance - have been written down at different time and by different guitarists in tablature format. But very few of these tunes are available as sheet music, even as a lead sheet. So, a sorry specimen like me, an old musician but a new guitarist, who hasn't yet mastered tabs, but who wants to learn a particular song, can only find it written down in tablature.

One day, I'll be able to read tabs much more easily - I have to puzzle them out one note at a time at the moment, which slows things down a lot. Also, if I want to make a backing track of chords on my cheapie Yamaha keyboard, I need not only the chord names, but their duration. Tablature doesn't give any "note length".

So, I'm "translating" from tab notation to "conventional" notation, so that I can read the melody line(s) as well as the backing chords. I'm also transcribing melody lines and solos from recordings or videos.

If more people had transcribed tunes I want to learn into conventional music notation, I wouldn't need to consult tabs. But, since that's not how things are, tabs are a necessity, whether I like it or not.

Jim B
 

Jim Baritone

Squier-holic
Dec 2, 2012
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Northern Alberta, Canada
I've been playing guitar too long to benefit from the tab revolution and am too unschooled to read a piano chart in standard notation. So I have gradually improved my reading skills for reading "regular" guitar charts--the ones in standard notation with single note lines written traditionally and chord names written above the staff.

But once in a while I get a duplicate of the piano chart for my part. Nothing like trying to figure out what that note staff with bunches of notes really means. So I use my ears. Then the bandleader says--OK, guitar, play from measure 43 to 67" and I'm clueless.:eek:

But I really appreciate tab for those that can read and use it.

Yeah. Those are called "lead sheets" and they're a standard item for any musician who works small or large groups, or club dates, or weddings. A lot of the time, the lead sheet is written for the piano, in whatever key the tune happens to be in. But, if you play Alto sax, that horn is pitched in E flat, so you have to transpose in your head. What I mean by this is that you look at the note - say it's a "C". and you finger "C" on your horn. But the actual note that comes out is E flat. Confused yet?

Tenor sax and trumpet are pitched in B flat; baritone sax in E flat. So if you're playing a date where you might have a tenor sax, an alto or baritone sax, and a flute, all to play at different times, you have to transpose the piano lead sheet in your head as you go.

This is a non-trivial exercise if you've never heard the tune before, LOL.

When I was a lot younger, I made my living doing it for many years, but I sure couldn't do it today. If you don't use it, you lose it. Since I played Alto, Tenor, and Baritone Sax, as well as "C" flute and Alto flute (which is down a fourth in "G", if I remember correctly), I would have to be able to transpose to at least 3 keys from the piano lead sheet.

It's utterly terrifying the first time you stand up with two or three other people, in front of an expectant crowd, and hope really, really hard that you won't play any wrong notes and make the group sound like the south end of a mule. And it stayed terrifying for quite a long time....;)
 
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AllroyPA

Squier-Axpert
Dec 14, 2009
16,555
Pennsylvania
Just dropping some Tab you can deal with ... ;)
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bluestringer

Squier-Meister
May 10, 2013
293
South Georgia
I don't think it's necessary for a guitar player to be able to read music to play in a band. The greatest guitarist ever could not read music, his name was Duane Allman.
 

HJGF

Squier-Meister
Nov 1, 2012
134
Guatemala
Imho you only need to know stuff like keys of notes I.e. E major has 3#, stuff like that. And well most people just improvise or lets say the piano player tells you what to play (lets say chords, you don't need music sheets do that).
 

joeybigO

Squier-Meister
Jan 3, 2011
436
Miami, FL (don't ask)
Yep. I spent quite a few years doing R&D engineering, as well as some other data network security stuff later on. So, I understand perfectly where you're coming from when you talk about patterns. I guess part of my problem is that my first career was playing sax professionally, so it was a survival skill to be able to sit down and read a chart cold. But, having said that, I had probably been studying theory for at least 12 years, as well as learning to play.

However, my frustration reached a new high today. I'm a big fan of Dire Straits.and of Mark Knopfler, both as a player and as a composer. So, some of the tunes I've started to work on are his. He's a fingerstyle player, and I have been learning the same technique from the get-go, so a lot of it makes sense. Some of the solos, like the ones in "Sultans of Swing", I figure I'll learn in about five years. Yeah, there are patterns - MK likes fast triplets, for instance, rising a tone or a half-tone after each one. But that's far, far beyond me right now.

Anyhow, as I was saying, today my frustration level reached the point where I finally did something about it. I have a couple of good programs for writing music on the computer, but they don't read tabs. And I've got tab sheets for some of the tunes I want to learn, but no lead sheet.

So in order to make "translation" and transcription a bit easier, I drew up a sheet with a conventional staff- five lines and four spaces, on top, and a 6-line tablature row underneath. I didn't bother putting in bar lines or anything, just made a basic template with one over the other. It'll be pencil and paper and probably checking some notes on the piano, but it'll be better than ripping out what little hair I have left in fistfuls.

So here it is, in a jpg format image that just fits nicely onto a sheet of 8 1/2 x 11 in MS Word if you set the margins to "Narrow". I tried to upload it as a Word document and as a PDF, but both exceeded the permitted file size. So, it'll be copy, paste, and print. Use and enjoy - at least I hope a few people will find this useful. :)

Jiim Bari

Okay. I'm going to say this once and I'll never mention it again. If anyone ever brings it up I'm going to deny it for all eternity.

I started out as a mariachi. This is a Spanish flamenco style of picking, this is why I really like classical music and why I really like technically smart players like Steve Stevens. This style thought me how to finger pick the easy way. I would suggest some Flamenco style lessons on finger picking and you could really get your fingers to behave the right way. Not to mention a hella different racket coming out of your guitars.

With this being said don't learn the strumming techniques learn the finger picking styles and hammer ons and pull offs

There is a particular music I like in the Gypsy Kings who have mastered the sound of "Flamenco meets Gitano", they more than likely have their calluses larger on their picking fingers than their fret fingers.

This really isn't about tabs but more about the style you seek. If Mark Knopfler was a master finger picker then he started off as a classical style player or went to a classical school to learn this.
 

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