Squier vs Epiphone

Discussion in 'Other Guitars' started by Vinny570, Jun 24, 2020.

  1. Vinny570

    Vinny570 Squier Talker

    Jan 17, 2020
    Wyoming, Pa
    I know I’ll get honesty here so my question is
    Are Squier and Epiphone on the same level
    regarding quality and craftsmanship?
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  2. Eddie

    Eddie Squier-Axpert

    Nov 5, 2016
    New York
    Epiphone has a much higher ceiling than Squier.

    I would give the base models to Squier. But the higher line guitars aren't even close.
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  3. strat_strummer

    strat_strummer Squier-holic

    Nov 24, 2018
    RC addiction....
    A lot has to do with the style you prefer. I have couple of awesome Epi Les Paul's and a couple Squier Strat style. Each manufactures have there low end and high quality series.
  4. RegularJim

    RegularJim Squier-Nut

    Dec 30, 2017
    Illiconsin, Wisinois
    What he said.

    In my experience, Bullet/Affinity models wipe the floor with Epi Specials and such.

    Likewise, my Epi LP Custom is a much better instrument than my CV Tele Custom. Albeit, the Epi sells for about 50% higher price.

    So dollar for dollar, I think the Squiers are better, but Epi goes a lot further than Squier. Probably because the MIM Fenders take over, where there are no MIM Gibsons.
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  5. mofojar

    mofojar Squier-holic

    May 9, 2019
    Calgary, Alberta
    Yeah it's crazy how nice the high end Epiphones get. I was low key looking at this beautiful transparent blue Epi Les Paul that would have matched my Jackson perfectly and it was on sale for $699 CAD down from about $769 IIRC. Unfortunately someone bought it before I had a chance but at the moment Squier's most expensive guitars are the J Mascic Jazzmaster, Jim Root, John 5 and the Bass VI at $699 CAD.

    With Epiphone it goes even further... There was a Dethklok guy (Brendan Smalls) Signature Flying V that was on sale for about $1200 CAD (with case and other cool things.) My search is showing mostly signature style models topping out at around $1249 CAD.

    Just as a comparison my MIM Fender was $1010 CAD.

    Edit: $1000 CAD is $738 USD today.
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  6. dbrian66

    dbrian66 Dr. Squier

    Jul 14, 2017
    Maryland, USA
    I think you are going to get different answers depending on what people prefer. Is an Epiphone Les Paul Standard better than a Squier CV Strat? I think so. But I also think Gibson makes better guitars than Fender. I love them both, but you will be hard pressed to change my opinion. I guarantee you there are people on this forum right now that think I must be nuts. Because in their minds, Fenders are obviously better. In the end, both Epiphone and Squier make great guitars and some
    not-so-great guitars. Find the one that likes you the best and you will be happy!
  7. strat_strummer

    strat_strummer Squier-holic

    Nov 24, 2018
    RC addiction....
    Nailed it.....:D
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  8. IronSchef

    IronSchef Dr. Squier

    Jun 18, 2012
    Flew here on my Dragonfly
    I tend to think of Squier and Epiphone in VERY similar ways -- both offer very nice instruments at significantly lower prices than their "big brother" companies.

    As @Eddie noted, the upper end of the Epi line are a cut above the top Squiers with respect to quality -- but those Epis are a full 2x the price of the top of the line Squier (Classic Vibes), its not really apples to apples
  9. strat_strummer

    strat_strummer Squier-holic

    Nov 24, 2018
    RC addiction....
    In all honesty, I have never been one to worry about which one is the better guitar. I am blessed with the fact I am able to learn guitar and have the ability to make it my own. I would play a stick with strings if need be...
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  10. duceditor

    duceditor Squier-Axpert

    May 29, 2014
    The Monadnocks, NH USA
    I see why others give all the "ups" to Squiers for the low end. They certainly show their price point less obviously. Low end Epis look cheap.

    But if you go by the simple pleasure of playing them the Epis at least to me hold their own.

    My two P90 PUP Special cost me $99 delivered. It plays fantastically well. Sounds as good as it feels. And its looks are a fun plus! Who'd 'a thought? Its like finding out that the bag lady you've been slipping the occasional dollar to is a gifted poet!

    I can go from a couple of thousand dollar Gibson to that 99 bucker and not miss a beat. I love it!


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  11. Davis Sharp

    Davis Sharp Dr. Squier

    Jan 7, 2016
    Maryland, USA
    Buy some of each. :)

    I like my Squiers and I like my Epis. But I also like that Gretsch (a partner of Fender rather than a subsidiary) offers semi-hollow and LP-like guitars in the Squier price range.
  12. Paruwi

    Paruwi Squier-Nut

    Apr 28, 2019
    Well, there are not much Epis with a bolt-on neck, those few were compareable to Squiers - IMO

    Most LPs or Semi/Full Hollow are just another price-range

    Personally I think both brands are good 'bang for the buck' in their range
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  13. MrYeats

    MrYeats Squier-holic

    Dec 28, 2017
    South Texas Coast
    To me the top of the line Squier is the Pro Tone. I don't know of any Epi's that are any better than that...
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  14. Davey

    Davey Squier-holic

    Mar 31, 2015
    Monroe WA
    Squier and Epiphone are two different animals. I would say a much better comparison would be how they measure up with what they are copied from. I give that one to Squier hands down.
  15. BluesForDan

    BluesForDan Squier-Meister

    I'll be getting a chance to check out Epiphone quality for myself in the very near future. The only Epi I had before was an Epiphone Bully SG. It came with a pickup wire that cold soldered to a pot and nonfunctional. Luckily I know my way around a soldering iron and it was a quick fix. I bought it for slide and put a doohickey over the nut that raised the strings about 3/4ths of an inch off the fingerboard so the shoddy fretwork wasn't an issue. I don't even remember who I got rid of it, might have given it away.

    Incoming is an ebony Les Paul Custom pro with a real ebony fingerboard. There are Gibson LP Customs that don't even have ebony so at this price point and financing it was a 'do it now or regret it'. That and I got a really good deal on it and a hard shell case.
  16. duceditor

    duceditor Squier-Axpert

    May 29, 2014
    The Monadnocks, NH USA
    There is another entire aspect to this. One that goes beyond "how good" the two guitar brands are. That is how badly a buyer really wishes he had a "real" Fender or Gibson.

    I've been out of that class for many, many years. But I do remember when I most assuredly did not want to be seen with Sears Roebucks guitar. I cared about my guitar saying Gibson, not just on the headstock but throughout.

    Call it having "cred." I was a guitarist dammit! My band and our music was real! It meant something.

    I was,maybe, 16 or 17 then.

    That only began to change when it all became really and observedly so. And even then only slowly.

    Now things were different back then. Low end guitars were pretty much junk. You felt the brand you were playing in your fingertips. You heard it through the amp.

    Today you don't.

    But still, if I were a teen and starting out I expect I prefer it to say "Fender" on my guitar. That for the general public. And for the guitar playing crowd I expect I'd want to say "Made in America" on the headstock -- right up front! -- not "Made in Mexico" hidden on the headstock's backside.

    Why? Because it is human nature -- and this is I think a GOOD thing -- to want to make something of ourselves. To prove our worth.

    Poo poo that if you will. (I no longer claim to have any understanding of how young people have been programmed to think.) But it underlies all human achievement.

    And then sometime in life we either feel we have, or that we haven't, made something of ourselves. And how important symbols remain will largely depend on our own, in our heart, answer to that question.

    And this is not limited to how much money we make or any other outward sign. Thus when I used to show my classic Fiat Spider at major car shows in Boston I'd meet Ferrari owners who'd drool over it and willingly talk details of its amazing DOC engine -- and other Ferrari owners who wouldn't even walk into the Fiat/Alfa part of the show.

    And so it is with guitars. Does this one of that one satisfy our various needs? The easy and comfortable answer will focus on how "good" the guitars are supposed to be. The harder one deals with our personal needs. And snobbery -- including its reverse type that says "I don't need a fancy guitar to show my worth."

    Things are never simple.

    Fun, yes. But simple? Never.


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  17. radiotech

    radiotech Dr. Squier

    Apr 23, 2014
    In the chicago used market, Epi’s are losers for resale, often selling 40% their original street price, mint, and often with a case (SG’s, Dot’s, and mid-grade LP’s), a bit more for specialty models (Casino, Wildkat, Wilshire, 339).

    I like my Epi Dot Studio (after mods), more than my much tider Epi-339 Ultra... I’m almost afraid to Thrash/wail on the Ultra by comparison.

    I can’t compare, and say something is better just because it has a set neck, or binding (and that would be unfair).
    For what they are, and what they do, I’d say the quality on even the high end is comparable (taking set neck/binding out of the equation) to each other. I’ve had a Dot/Dot Pro or two with bridge rattles, sympathetic vibrations of some part in the body cavity, Other than set up, or abuse, almost every VM, or CV I’ve touched has had amazing build quality.
    I had a NEW Epi LP+top from a shop, that was a boat anchor with a fretboard stained so heavily, it took me a year of playing and scrubbing at string changes to have it stop staining my fingers.

    I love the Squier’s I have (Down to four), but Most of the Strats and Tele’s they make now, are just too narrow/small at the nut for me.
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  18. Eddie

    Eddie Squier-Axpert

    Nov 5, 2016
    New York
    I've gone through numerous Epi's .... none stuck. But I have 14 keeper Squiers, and 2 on the chopping block. :)
  19. VM51SQ

    VM51SQ Squier-Meister

    Apr 14, 2017
    I look at it from a slightly different perspective: I want an affordable modding platform, and for that purpose, I feel Squier comes out ahead. Initial quality, options, and availability of parts.