The Jay Turser LP was black. A friend is an apartment maintenance guy. someone left it when they moved out. He brought it to me. I used parts from my shop to equip it. I finished it to look like vintage burst. Weighs almost 11 lbs... The ProTone I bought on Reverb. I sold it on Reverb. When it got to the buyer, it had some very minor dings from shipping. Insurance paid me the value and I got it back with a few very minor dings. I can live with that.