Neck dive on the Marlin Mockingbird

Shreddergirl

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Jun 4, 2021
298
Beale Street
It's a great looking guitar but when I play it standing up the neck drags down a lot!! ... I was starting to feel a pull in the left shoulder in the front after a few hours of playing... The tuners will have to be replaced but hipshots are heavy and will make this worse... help!
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Shreddergirl

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Jun 4, 2021
298
Beale Street
Carve a cavity in the back and make a plastic cover. Then fill the cavity with lead fishing weights. It’ll look like a control cavity but the weights add weight to the body balancing the neck dive issue.
It's not a collectible instrument so I'm not opposed to this idea... especially since the electronic cavity is very small, to begin with... so I can't fit any weights in there...

thanks... i will try the strap also
 

Ace38

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Jul 19, 2016
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I'm with the strap buttons idea, along with a thicker strap, or one thats got some grab to it. A lot of nylon straps will slide along easy, but maybe something with a lining or a more "abrasive" material (so to speak) will eliminate some of that.

Sweet guitar! Love the red invaders.
 

Randall E

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Oct 3, 2021
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Nice looking guitar. However, I've tried different fixes of moving the strap button, adding weight, using a wider strap. You know, one of the two guitars I had as a teenager had neck dive and I wasted so much time on trying to find the balance I quit playing. Now, once I receive a guitar with neck dive, I just get rid of it. I'm of the thought if I cannot love the guitar with strings and a setup, it's time to find another one.
 

guitar guy

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Nov 3, 2010
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Tampa Bay Area
It's not a collectible instrument so I'm not opposed to this idea... especially since the electronic cavity is very small, to begin with... so I can't fit any weights in there...

thanks... i will try the strap also
You wouldn’t want to put them on the electronics cavity. The lead would conduct and interrupt the signal causing a short. It would have to be a separate cavity that does not interact with the electronics. Just get a chisel and hog out a cavity 3”x3” about 3/4” deep. Get some cheap pickguard material and cut it to size and make it overlap about a 1/4” on each side. Drill some holes, fill the cavity with lead, and put the pickguard in place. Wallah. If you’re feeling froggy you can carve in a recessed lip so that the pickguard sits flush. It’s not hard to do, just got to take your time and be smart about it.
 

Diavolo

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Jan 3, 2022
77
USA
instead of "lead fishing weights" like someone suggested, i suggest wheel balancing weights for cars for that sort of thing. theyre heavy, small, typically square, and coated in plastic so they wont short anything, and come with adhesive already on the back.

might not work specific for your guitar if it really lacks cavity space, but for anyone looking for a solution in the future;
you can do a search for these: ACCRETION 48Pcs 1/4 Oz, 0.25Oz, Grey Adhesive Backed Wheel Weights (12 Oz Pack)

i think of those should still fit. theyre low profile.
 
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BlueSquirrel

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Dec 21, 2018
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France
It's a great looking guitar but when I play it standing up the neck drags down a lot!! ... I was starting to feel a pull in the left shoulder in the front after a few hours of playing... The tuners will have to be replaced but hipshots are heavy and will make this worse... help!
Dear @Shreddergirl, that's a funky guitar !

There are some wonderful ideas above! I will try some in the future.

Meanwhile I have a few tips as well below.
But truth is, in order to help you, we would ideally need more info and pics. For ex. :

- Where are the strap pins located on your guitar ?
- How heavy is your guitar ?
- What type of tuners do you currently have on it (front and back)? 6 inline-style or 3x3 ? How much do they currently weigh? Are they attached with bolt-on nuts or ferrules to the headstock? What is the holes' diameter? What is the tuners' shaft diameter ? What is the pilot holes' position on the headstock?
- What type of strap do you currently use ?

Here are a couple of things that might work for you (at least they do with my Explorer-type guitar and my Casino Coupe, but both only have 22 frets).

1 - Try a supple suede strap and once you put it on you, try turning it clockwise (about a half or a full turn) before securing the strap to the bottom pin. It will "hug" you better.

2 - Attach the strap the other way round at the top and use straplocks (I'll try to take pics of what I mean).

3 - Try to lighten the tuners by changing metal knobs to plastic.
If you're going to change the tuners anyway, try to go for very light tuners.
Gotoh stealth are probably the lightest but they cost about $100.
https://www.solomusicgear.com/product/gotoh-st31-sb5-stealth-guitar-machine-heads-set-of-3-3/

To my knowledge, open gear tuners are often lighter than closed-back tuners. Grover, Hipshot, Wilkinson, Guyker and possibly Musiclily among others make some. I will try to enclose pics below.
Vintage nickel tuners are often light as well. Kluson and Gotoh have some good alternative tuners in their "vintage"-ish ranges.

4 - If all else fails, you could try putting a few pieces of lead weights for moped/scooter wheels in a mobile phone pouch or a wireless guitar transmitter pouch, then fasten the pouch to the bottom of your strap to add weight to the bottom of the guitar (again, I'll try to to take some pics).
 
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BlueSquirrel

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Dec 21, 2018
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France
Trying to enclose some pics here.
Tip n°1 : full suede straps - for example Levy's (below is a pic of Levy's MSS7 BLK) and Perri's full suede straps are great because they grip your shirt well enough and they can be turned sidewise without hurting you (just make sure they are the right size for you). My experience with straps that are part leather (on the top), and part suede (on the bottom), is that they are often a bit too stiff to be turned clockwise and therefore don't work as well, unless you manage to soften the leather part.
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BlueSquirrel

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Dec 21, 2018
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France
2nd tip : this is the top pin of the guitar (I don't understand how to turn the pic sideways). Below is a pic of the full back of the guitar. You'd better add straplocks (rubber washers are not good enough, the guitar might fall when you stand up).
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BlueSquirrel

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Dec 21, 2018
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France
Third tip (lighter tuners) :
- change metal tuning machine knobs to pearloid knobs or "Green / cream tulip" knobs.
- Or change the tuning machines. The Gotoh "Stealth" STM31 are really light (about 12 grams each!)but pricey.
As a heavier but decent alternative "Vintage" nickel tuners are often light and available in locking versions as well if need be. Many forum members use Wilkinson's.
Kluson Revolution series with tulip plastic buttons are also light and good quality.
https://www.amazon.com/Wilkinson-Chrome-Deluxe-Vintage-Machine/dp/B01JLT7ZN0?th=1&psc=1

https://www.kluson.com/revolution.html

Below are sets of Grover 533N (they come in 3x3 and 6 inline version) and Guyker open gear tuners. I've also heard good things about Hipshot open-gear back tuners, but I don't know how heavy they actually are.

By the way, Stewmac sometimes mentions tuners' weight on their website.
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