I think I have tangled my brain thinking about this one....

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  1. IronSchef

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    Was recently showing my kids some video of Jimi at Woodstock, and this morning I started thinking about his guitars and his unique twist...

    We all know he played a righty guitar lefty, and really the only modifications he did was string it in reverse and swap the strap pin to the lower (upper for him) horn

    Obviously, many have looked at this in detail for many years, so I started reading up... and learned some really cool things - most interesting for me was that Jimi's "upside down" configuration created a situation where SOME things were different - but oddly enough, SOME things were exactly the same!

    Visually, the reverse angle of the bridge pup is the first thing that jumps out at you - this surely had an effect on his sound. Then, when you think about the "staggered" pole pieces - those heights are ALSO "reversed". What effect that has on tone seems to be more debated (I won't go there, :D)

    I thought it was really interesting that, no matter how the pickup is oriented, its "polarity" and "wind direction" do NOT change! I had to think about that one for a while to get it :)

    The reason I was thinking about all of this is because I was thinking it might be cool to take a lefty guitar and string it righty to create that same "reverse" effect ... and then I thought "I HAVE a great set of pups I just pulled from my RW for the SRV tribute! I could use THOSE"

    Wait ... Lefty guitar - righty staggered pups, turned upside down to play righty ... would I then need to install them upside down?? or install them "normally"??

    that is pretty much where where by brain seized up :eek: but I kept at it anyway.

    anyway, I THINK I talked my way into this:

    If I install righty-staggered pups in the "normal" orientation (wires running from pups toward bridge) in a lefty guitar, and play it upside down and strung for a righty - that creates the same "reverse" effect - right? o_O

    My brain hurts
     
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  2. so1om

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  3. so1om

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    oh yeah.. the white one too
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  4. LutherBurger

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    If I'm following accurately, no. The only difference will be in the slant of the bridge pickup.

    If you want to "reverse" the stagger of the pickups, you'll have to mount the pickups with their hot and ground leads pointing toward the neck.
     
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  5. IronSchef

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    This is why my brain hurts, and why I need you guys ...

    righty-stagger pups in a lefty guitar (wired normally) are reversed - but if I string it reversed as well - doesn't that reverse-reverse and make the stagger "correct"?
     
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  7. IronSchef

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  8. IronSchef

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    OK, the fog has cleared - it makes sense to me now - thanks @LutherBurger !!

    - install them "upside down" if I want REVERSE stagger - normally if I was correct stagger per string

    clear as mud :)
     
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  9. Bailey1214

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    My thought is get a proper lefty with specsc you want(fretboard radius, staggered pickups) then string it up as a righty.
     
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  10. AllroyPA

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    I'd sure bet he changed the nut around too. Seems like a fun idea but why not just install left hand stagger pickups and a reverse slant pickguard on a righty guitar and avoid the annoyance of the controls in the way under your forearm ...
     
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  11. MikeyH

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    Forget about all that macho stuff and learn how to play your guitar upside-down.

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  13. OldGuitarPlayer

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    The weird thing about Hendrix is that he wrote using his right hand...:eek:

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  14. 9-42

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    I have a set of lefty CV 50's pups in my righty '87 MIJ Squier Strat.
    Can't say that the revers stagger makes any difference. If it does, it must be a very slight difference that my old ears just don't hear.
     
  15. DJGranite

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    Here's a thought, and I haven't checked, but does Fender even make a "Left hand" set of pickups?
     
  16. Big tuna

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    I was about 12 years old when my friends started playing guitars. I am left handed and play right handed guitars thank goodness. The guys that play left handed just adjusted the pu's as anyone else would to what they wanted the sound to suit. I think the same way now.
     
  17. mikm

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    Doyle Bramhall II plays a left handed guitar strung upside down! Yeeesh!! 8662165.0.jpg
     
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  19. OldGuitarPlayer

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    Yes I remember people being forced to use their right hand as children. I have heard stories that Jimi was also able to play right handed as well. Glen Campbell is apparently left handed but plays guitar right handed. Otis Rush and Albert King played left handed and upside down. Ringo Starr is left handed but learned to play on drums set up for a right handed player.

    I guess it's all in the way you learn to play and what ever works for ya!
     
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  20. MikeyH

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    I never realized that. I wonder if he was pushed to write right-handed by teachers? I've heard a lot of leftys were back in the day. I think it's considered to be unecessary and harmful now.