Hot rails

Discussion in 'Tech-Talk' started by Year Zero, Apr 16, 2021.

  1. Year Zero

    Year Zero Squier-Meister

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    I'd like to use a 5 way switch but might just stick with a three.
    Okay...here's the stupid question. What the hell are the extra wires for?
    Coil splitting? Is that when you need one of those push pull pots with all the little tabs underneath?
    If so I guess I'll stick to a 3 way and tape the extra wires together. I really don't understand all the tabs underneath plus I noticed they don't give you enough room for soldering on the top.
    Plus finding a wiring diagram has been futile. Can't even find one on SD. No option for hot rails and a tele.
     
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  2. Year Zero

    Year Zero Squier-Meister

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    I just realized (it's 3 in the morning) their both single coils, nothing to split...lol

    Please disregard the previous message. :rolleyes::D
     
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  3. Hal Nico

    Hal Nico Squier-Meister

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    Just as an FYI. Rail type HB pickups can usually be split if you want to by unwrapping the cloth and finding the joint between the pickups and adding a wire. If this wire is then taken to ground via a switch it will turn off one coil. Don't do this if you are happy with the sound it's a just a hack you can do down the line if you fancy as it has to be done carefully. I did it on a full size HB in my HSS Squier Strat as it didn't have the coil-tap wires :)


    HTH :)
     
  4. drewcp

    drewcp Dr. Squier

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    I'm glad you got it figured out.
     
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  5. dbrian66

    dbrian66 Dr. Squier

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    Hot rails are humbuckers and you can split them with a 5 way switch. But for me, splitting humbuckers has never really been worth it. I put a set of hot rails in one of my Teles and just used a 3 way switch with no splitting. Here is a diagram to use a 5 way switch.
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  6. Eddie

    Eddie My Squier is on Fire !!! Gold Supporting Member

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    Splitting is a lot of fun and adds some nice versatility to the tone.
     
  7. fadetoz

    fadetoz Dr. Squier Gold Supporting Member

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    I've been enjoying the Ibanez wiring with their 5 way switch.
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  8. Year Zero

    Year Zero Squier-Meister

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    Thank you for this but I didn't explain enough. I have 1 single coil hot rail in the neck and a single coil size humbucker hot rail for the bridge.
     
  9. fadetoz

    fadetoz Dr. Squier Gold Supporting Member

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    Yep.. Hotrail / mini humbucker is a humbucker just smaller.
     
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  10. Kinnon09

    Kinnon09 Squier-Nut Gold Supporting Member

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    You on about one rail per pickup?
     
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  11. Year Zero

    Year Zero Squier-Meister

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    No the neck is two rail, the bridge is two. I had to go back, dig them out and check. I'm just wondering about the wiring. I found this but was wondering the reason for the twisted wires that aren't used. Coil splitting? Are these the type of pots used? I've never wired rails before plus mine aren't Seymour Duncan so the colors don't match.

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  12. dbrian66

    dbrian66 Dr. Squier

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    Yes, the wires that are tied together are for coil splitting. Hot rail pickups are just a different type of humbucker, but you wire them in just like any other humbucker. Do your pickups have four wires or two? If it’s four you can split the coils or just leave them as humbuckers.
     
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  13. dbrian66

    dbrian66 Dr. Squier

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    Here is a chart with different pickup manufacturers wire colors. Hopefully your pickups are on here.

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  14. Year Zero

    Year Zero Squier-Meister

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    DUDE! Thanks!
     
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  15. Lonn

    Lonn Squier-holic Staff Member

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    Every tech or home hobbyist should have a copy of that chart on their wall. It's invaluable.
     
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