Help me understand....

Discussion in 'Pickup Joint' started by jamesgpobog, May 4, 2021.

  1. jamesgpobog

    jamesgpobog Squier-holic

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    Elactronics ain't my strong suit. I sort of understand 'humbucking' to cancel noise, but what is the difference between coils wound cw/ccw, and 2 coils wound same direction, but one with leads reversed?
     
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  2. corn

    corn Squier-holic

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    I’m not very savvy on electronica crap either, but my understanding is if the leads are reversed then that is usually a middle pickup?
     
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  3. LutherBurger

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  4. howserx

    howserx Squier-Nut

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    Ya know, after reading this I'm suspicious of how I put my strat together... I would bet money that I goofed somewhere along the line when rewiring my pickguard...
     
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  5. LutherBurger

    LutherBurger Squier-holic

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    Simple starting point: point a compass at each pickup. The one whose polarity is opposite the other two belongs in the middle.
     
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  6. jamesgpobog

    jamesgpobog Squier-holic

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    Actually, I should have clarified the context. I'm thinking of 2 P-90's and a 3-way switch (build I'm working on now).

    My recent Tele build (the redwood) has a Tele bridge pup and a GM alnico 2 'smooth velvet' single coil (not tele) at the neck.

    I looked at the links, mostly Greek, but one thing caught my attention, position 2 (both pups) is in fact thin and weak. Wondering if the next with 2 p90's can be hum cancelling in position 2/

    Still don't have a clue
     
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  7. IronSchef

    IronSchef Dr. Squier Double Platinum Member

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    Yep - p90s are single coils — if they are RWRP to each other , then hum cancelling
     
  8. jamesgpobog

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    Are P90 sets usually sold that way?
     
  9. IronSchef

    IronSchef Dr. Squier Double Platinum Member

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    I know tonerider Seymour Duncan and Lollar sell RWRP P90 sets
     
  10. howserx

    howserx Squier-Nut

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    Well, not a compass or decent magnet in the house to be found. I did find one that let me tell that the first two pickups (neck and middle) are oriented the same direction. As soon as I get a decent compass I'm, gonna rip poor frank apart and get it done right. (the tone pots are reversed as well) . I'm Stoked! My strat will finally sound straty!
    I love this stuff!
     
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  11. jamesgpobog

    jamesgpobog Squier-holic

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    OK, I got a magnet and checked out the pups. Remember, this is a 2 pup tele, not a 3 pup strat.

    If the magnet attracts to the bridge pup, it repels at the neck. Bridge is an import (not sure of mfg) regular tele. Neck is GM single coil (not tele style) 'smooth velvet' alnico 2, listed as a neck pup. Switch position 2 (both pups) seems thin. Is there a fix for this?

    There is a listing for a strat middle pup alnico 2, RWRP. Is that the fix?
     
  12. LutherBurger

    LutherBurger Squier-holic

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    Good. The pickups are opposite polarity. We're halfway there...
    Is that a Strat pickup? If it is, this is gonna be easy....
    Yep. Reverse the neck pickup's two leads.
     
  13. jamesgpobog

    jamesgpobog Squier-holic

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    Yep, a strat pup. So I just swap signal and ground?
     
  14. spanker63

    spanker63 Squier-holic

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    Yup, when two pups are on and they sound weak together, they are out of phase. Swap those two wires and you should be good to go.
     
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  15. LutherBurger

    LutherBurger Squier-holic

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    Yeah. If what you're hearing is two pickups out of phase (thin, weak, and weird) and not the typical Tele middle position sound (sweet and chime-like), swapping those wires will correct it.
     
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  16. jamesgpobog

    jamesgpobog Squier-holic

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    Will position 2 be hum cancelling?
     
  17. spanker63

    spanker63 Squier-holic

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    I believe that depends on how the pups are wound.
     
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  18. LutherBurger

    LutherBurger Squier-holic

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    If it isn't now, it will be when you reverse the leads because your magnets are opposite polarity.
     
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  19. jamesgpobog

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    Cool. One thing I do is shield like crazyI wrap the pup leads with copper tape and have toyed with the idea of using small copper tubing in a wire race.