Why do some people dampen or change their tremolo springs on a strat?

Discussion in 'Squier Stratocasters' started by BlueSquirrel, Feb 24, 2019.

  1. BlueSquirrel

    BlueSquirrel Squier-Nut

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    What difference does it make soundwise?

    Thanks a lot for your answers!
     
  2. brians

    brians Squier-Nut

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    I dampen my springs by putting self adhesive foam under the springs in the trem cavity. I "think" it tidies the metal type reverb sound coming from the springs. Truth is, I don't really know if it makes that much of a difference , but I feel better about it. I saw it done a long time ago, and have done it ever since. Don't quote me on this, maybe it's real or not real , one of those things.

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  3. oneLOCOman

    oneLOCOman Squier-Nut

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    I was gonna ask this same question. I am fixing up a couple squiers and I came across guys doing this. Most say the same thing as brains. They saw someone do it so they did. I don't hear nothing from springs myself.
    Same thing with trem blocks, changing to brass to change your sound.
     
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  4. fuelish

    fuelish Squier-Nut

    Because they want to, for whatever reason? I've heard of folks dampening the springs due to "ringing" (?) , have never had that problem. I haven't changed, but have added springs for the sole purpose of the thing not feeling so flimsy in use....I hate floating trems when setting up and all, but they're great once dialed in :cool:
     
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  5. jefffam

    jefffam Dr. Squier

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    To the best of my knowledge, people dampen the Strat springs because like any longer spring, at certain frequencies they will vibrate or ring out a harmonic of that frequency. I've done it to a couple guitars but not universally. If you slit it, it makes a smaller circle, it will definitely dampen the strings.

    Depending on where the ground solder is on the claw, I add springs to all my Strats, so they have 4 or 5. The I screw them in so that they are all hard decked, and do not move.
     
  6. Papa Joe

    Papa Joe Squier-Axpert

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    I've done it a few times just for the hell of it..Never noticed any huge difference..
     
  7. Saw a video the other day where buddy builds Strats but doesn't put a back cover on them. Claimed they sound better and the so the springs can ring out. :confused:
    Cheers, Barrie.
     
  8. BlueSquirrel

    BlueSquirrel Squier-Nut

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    Are the springs made of some metal that is particularly well-suited to making music? Are there different types of springs?
     
  9. Jay Jackson

    Jay Jackson Squier-Meister

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    I could see how the springs could vibrate enough to get the strings to react to it But you would have to be playing really loud like a 50 watt and standing close enough to get it to happen
     
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  10. RegularJim

    RegularJim Squier-Meister

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    I've had springs that are shiny and bright, and some that are gray, like a zinc alloy trem block. The different materials will likely have slightly different spring rates and resonance frequency. On one occasion I had a Strat that because of the exact amount of tension from the exact position of the trem claw, when it hit the exactly right note, and the exact composition and exact age of the spring, that one single spring would vibrate enough so that I would hear it and feel it ringing out. Playing unplugged it was louder than the actual guitar note, and rather unpleasant.

    I just swapped the spring out with an extra one I had lying around. Never happened again. Probably could've used a tissue, or a rubber band or just about anything else, but in this case, a new spring was the tidier choice.

    So this was the one time I experienced this. I'm sure a more experienced technician would have heard of this plenty of times, and would take preemptive actions to avoid this phenomenon.
     
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  11. LutherBurger

    LutherBurger Squier-holic

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    The springs are under the bridge pickup. When I have that pickup selected I can hear the springs ring out even at low volumes or with headphones.
     
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  12. SoundDesign

    SoundDesign Squier-holic

    I do not dampen. I consider it built in reverb...
     
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  13. jvin248

    jvin248 Squier-Meister

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    Some like the springs ringing out (doesn't translate into the amp output, just a sound for the player) while some don't like that noise.

    Look up the Eric Clapton Strat trem blocking block. Use a wood block and remove the springs entirely. Then you will find more consistent tuning stability and when bending notes all the other strings stay in tune.

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  14. VMamp

    VMamp Squier Talker

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    Removing the springs will disconnect the bridge from the guitars earth, you need to add an alternative directly to the bridge assembly or leave the spring(s).
     
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  15. Zappa_Tappa

    Zappa_Tappa Squier Talker

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    Joe Bonamassa, Kenny Wayne - love hardtails. Other than a Robert Cray, these instruments are criminally under produced IMO.
     
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  16. RoyalWe

    RoyalWe Squier-holic

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    The springs in my MIM strat are pretty noisy. It does t bleed through into the amp because the pickups aren’t microphonic, but playing unplugged I always hear them ringing out. Thought about muting them, but have yet to bother to actually do it.
     
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  17. Zappa_Tappa

    Zappa_Tappa Squier Talker

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    There have been some threads on raw vintage springs here and elsewhere. I do not understand the hype but it may be real.
     
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  18. BlueSquirrel

    BlueSquirrel Squier-Nut

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    My amp doesn't have built-in reverb, so I like this idea!
     
  19. LutherBurger

    LutherBurger Squier-holic

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    And by tightening or loosening the claw a little bit, you can "tune" the springs to ring when you play a specific pitch. (Only unplugged or with the bridge pickup, of course.)
     
  20. SquierTap

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    I've got ya, brother... I found this video a while back, and thought it MAINLY focuses on a different lil quirky noise that Fenders make, he demonstrates the spring noise, too... Just to be honest, at first (and still now to an extent), I didn't really care for his personality... He kinda rubs me the wrong way with the way he acts sometimes, but hey, he DOES seem to know his stuff... Especially about this... But just a warning; Once you hear that noise, you will NEVER be able to un-hear it... You'll probably do like I did and RUN and check every Fender and Squier that you've got, lol... And it WILL be there... Lol... You're welcome, lol...
     
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