Weedy sound in position 2

Discussion in 'Squier Stratocasters' started by Jake e lee, May 18, 2019.

  1. Jake e lee

    Jake e lee Squier Talker

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    My strat,I recently fitted an artec hotrail in the bridge position (its now HSS) and when i was running in position 2 previously when it was SSS,I always got the strat quack in 2 (bridge/middle engaged) but with the hotrail...its just totally weedy!
    Position 4 with neck/middle....it gives the nice quack...both single coils btw.
    What would be the cause for me loosing my quack?
     
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  2. stratman420

    stratman420 Squier-Meister

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    What do you mean by "weedy"? But the hot rail, like you said is a humbucker and high output, so obviously there will be a noticable change of sound of the bridge pickup, as well as anything it's combined with.
     
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  3. Jake e lee

    Jake e lee Squier Talker

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    It has no balls,very thin
    On their own,individually...great but together...dear oh dear
     
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  4. Chubbles

    Chubbles Squier-Meister

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    I hate to ask, have you opened it up to double check the wiring with available diagrams on the web?

    You got my attention by saying weed. lol
     
  5. mofojar

    mofojar Squier-Nut

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    Usually that's the sign of phase cancellation and you need to switch the leads on your middle pickup.
     
  6. -r3-

    -r3- Squier-holic

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    Your duck cannot quack if its bill is fulla weeds!:D
     
  7. DougMen

    DougMen Squier-holic

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    mofojar is wrong. If you're position 4 quack is right, then you need to reverse the wiring of the bridge pickup, what's now to the switch to ground and what's now to ground to the switch. Then all 3 pickups will be in phase, and both quack positions will work right. If you switch the middle and not the bridge, then you'll need to switch the neck pickup too to keep all three in phase.
     
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  8. Jake e lee

    Jake e lee Squier Talker

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    Next string change..il give that a go.
    The humbucker is the 4 wire type where you join the red and white wires together to complete the circuit,the other 2 wires are one to ground,one to 5 way however...the bridge pup is one that can be coil tapped.
    I have a coil tap switch but no idea of the diagram i need to make it that i can jump in and out of single or humbucker.
    even on artecs site...not much info
    UPDATE...Ive looked into the 4 way pu wiring,seems I need my coil tap to ground those red and white wires i previously joined together?
     
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  9. pflug

    pflug Squier-Meister

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    Sounds like the bridge rail is out of phase with the middle- swapping the bridge leads should fix the problem and not change the relationship between the neck and middle single coils.

    With a 4-wire humbucker in the bridge another mod I like to do is "auto split" where the humbucker is "normal" (two coils in series) in the bridge position an
     
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  10. pflug

    pflug Squier-Meister

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    If your tone controls are through the 5 way switch you'll have to rewire them for the "auto" split- you 'd wire the "second set" of switch terminals so that the "bridge" terminal is wired with the series link for the humbucker (sounds like your red+white) and the middle is wired to ground (and normal 'second output" disconnected- when you select the bridge+middle it "automatically" grounds out one of the coils and you're only effectively using the other coil

    Adding a second switch to "manually" split the bridge is another option- depends on if you like the sound of the split humbucker on its own- personal preference there. To my ears it seems a properly wired HB usually overpowers the middle in the bridge+middle position rather than having much "quack" and some HBs sound better than others when used alone and split
     
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  11. pflug

    pflug Squier-Meister

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    The 4 wire setup is simple, it would be nice though if there were a universal color code rather than the wire colors different between manufacturers

    To fix your initial problem just switch the switch and ground wires from the bridge pickup - a "normal" humbucker wiring is the two coils in series so the - side of one coil is wired to ground, the + side of the first coil and - side of the second coil are wired together and the + side of the second coil the "hot" output to the switch or a pot. By shorting the two wires where the two coils connect to ground you are effectively only using the second coil in the circuit

    If you have the + and - out of phase between pickups the coils are effectively cancelling out a good portion of the signal resulting in the thin "weedy" sound
     
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  12. DougMen

    DougMen Squier-holic

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    I wouldn't bother with the coil tap, because the coils on a rail pickup are very small, as they have to make two coils fit into the size of a single Strat coil. So, because of that, I think having just one of the coils on would be pretty weak and wimpy sounding, but I could be wrong.
     
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  13. Papa Joe

    Papa Joe Squier-Axpert

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    My guitar used to sound "weedy"..But I don't smoke that s*** any more..
     
  14. lost sailor

    lost sailor Squier Talker

    Believe it or not, I got banned from Strat-Talk for a similar comment Papa-- what can I say, snowflakes will be snowflakes
     
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  15. mofojar

    mofojar Squier-Nut

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    Dougmen is of course correct and I am not.

    I was trying to find the source where I found my information, because the same thing happened on my HSS, but it was late and I was tired and my google-fu was weak.

    I do remember that I had to switch the leads on my neck and middle pickups in order for them to match the phase of the coil on the two Duncan pickups that I've used. It seems to be a common thing when adding a humbucker to an HSS Squier.
     
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  16. Biddlin

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    Yeah, but those same snowflakes are usually the flamers. I had a very humorous and apt comment deleted over at strat-talk because of a drug reference. They won't go away just because you pretend they don't exist.
     
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  17. Biddlin

    Biddlin Squier-Meister

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    Yup.
     
  18. Papa Joe

    Papa Joe Squier-Axpert

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    But I'm senile..Make a lot of senile comments..
     
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  19. DrBeGood

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    Funny ... if there's one thing I think a Fender is better for in the electronics department, is that you don't need to take off the strings to play under the pickguard.

    But that's me ...
     
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  20. Deepblankspace

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    I once was an always off guy, now im a loosen the strings and try guy
     
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