Strat Pickguard Wiring?

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  1. richieryan

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    I'm having a tough time with this one. I'm installing the final mod on my DIY KWS Strat project, the Benson Custom KWS spec pups. I started from scratch with pups, and the strat electronic upgrade kit<pots,switch,.047 cap,jack>
    I used this diagram from GFS as well as this one from seymour-duncan:
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    As well as this version, showing the added jumper for bridge pup tone control:
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    Here's the problem: How do you determine the order of the 8 terminals on the switch? Since the diagram shows the terminals on opposite sides, and the switch has them on one side, are 1-4 down the left side (as shown in the diagrams), and 5-8 down the rt side? Or, are they counted going left/rt/lft top to bottom?:confused:
     
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    Heh, I discovered one big-time rookie error. I failed to ground the tone pots in series with the volume pot. I'll fix that and then see if that fixes it. If not, then it will be back to the switch connections.
    The good news: All this practice is improving my soldering skill which will be handy in another week or two when I assemble my '51 project...:cool:
     
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    That diagram is for a fender stock switch. The other switches just go in order 1-8 that I have used.
     
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    How do you determine the order of the 8 terminals on the switch? Since the diagram shows the terminals on opposite sides, and the switch has them on one side, are 1-4 down the left side (as shown in the diagrams), and 5-8 down the rt side? Or, are they counted going left/rt/lft top to bottom?

    The first time I did it, I counted them back & forth, starting on the left. The result was awesome tone in all but bridge only position. (no sound)
    This time, I went 1-4 top to bottom on the left-side (as viewed in the pics), and then back to the top on the rt for 5-8. The GFS switch has them all on one side. At that point, before I realized I left out the pot-to-pot grounds, the tone was weak and crappy, plus the hum (from lack of grounds).
    Now, when I took it back apart this morning to take care of the pot grounding, I have nada but a faint hum. Nothing from any pup, in any position. I'm wondering if I overheated the import switch and need to get a CRL or other US spec switch.:confused:
     
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    I use small alligater clips for heat sinks, helps keep your parts from overheating. I once did get an import switch from GFS that was faulty and he sent me an upgraded one for free:)
     
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    I wqould have replaced that import switch with a real switch when doing the mod. Much better feeling and better made switch for less than $10 for the Fender switch at GC.
     
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    If you have an import and they are all in stright line, the switch box facing pots your switch tip set on bridge position. Start at top B M N V V (SKIP) T T


    PICKUPS
    N M B

    1B
    2M
    3N
    4V
    5V
    6
    7T
    8T
    Hope this helps:)
     
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    Thx for the help, guys. I'm going to keep at it til I get it right. Starting from a $25 SE and making a DIY KWS has been a blast.
     
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    Look up strat schematic. There are a few nice pics. The problem is a diagram only works if the parts are identical to yours and they still dont explain whats happening electrically.
     
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    This may help
     

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    Good info, all. I'm going to start fresh with a US Strat switch. At this rate, I may have it done by the 15th when I'm meeting a CL seller in DFW to buy a "real" KWS strat...:rolleyes:
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    I installed a switchcraft 5-way and it's good-to-go. I appreciate the tech tips:D
     
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    Happy shredding!
     
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    Hey your not gettin off that easy ... We want some better pics. :D:D:D
    Hows it sound? How do ya like the Benson p/u's ?
     
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    I did shoot some pics and I'll get them off the camera, to the 'puter, upload to myspace, so I can put 'em on here.
    The Benson pups are just the way I wanted, at 1/3 to 1/4 the price of better known boutique pups. With his prices, I expect to order a set for one of my '51s.:cool:
    Although I had no problems wiring up with the new 5-way switch, the pups are in reverse order. I'll have to go back and see how I managed to do that...:confused:
    This has been a learning experience, and I have a greater appreciation of how important the electronics are to tone.
    When I get the KWS Strat next week, I'll do some A/B clips to compare.
     
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    Now your hook on moding there no turning back now. Do ya mean the pu's are wired backwards or in the wrong spot in the pg? What ever way it is a easy fix.
     
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    Can anyone give me tips on how to wire a Duncan Scorcher to a one pup SX lapsteel. I have all the wires for a 5 way switch 3 pup config, but I have no switch. The instructions are for wiring into a strat and just say to connect wires in place like the old ones. Do I just tape up and leave loose the switch wires?
     
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    Reverse ordered switching. I prob got in hurry with the new switch. I really like how the switch is tight enough that I no longer slap it into the bridge pos when picking hard, which is most of the time. Gotta hammer those .012-.056 strings...;)
     
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    Just flip the switch around. :D
     

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