Rosewood CV60’s vs Indian Laurel CV60’s vs maple CV50’s

Discussion in 'Squier Stratocasters' started by Taurus, Sep 14, 2018.

  1. Taurus

    Taurus Squier Talker

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    I am really interested in a strat since ages and could buy one later this month. I think it’s between the VM70’s or the Classic Vibe that I will buy. But...

    My insperation for learning the guitar again, came at the start of the year by Rory Gallagher, and I’d love a guitar which was like his. For this reason I’ve been looking into the CV60’s, but they now make it with Indian Laurel instead of Rosewood o_O if anyone has any experience with both the old Rosewood CV and the new Indian Laurel CV I’d be interested to hearing your thoughts to the comparison/if there is a comparison between them.

    But I am also interested in the CV50’s haha :D it looks absolutely beautiful. It’s just a shame they didn’t make the Sunburst brown CV50’s with the Rosewood neck.

    But yeah, what are the 2 versions of the CV60’s like in comparison? (If there is a comparison between the tones and feel of the newer wood and original). I’m guessing the CV50’s maple would sound different.
     
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  2. Caddy

    Caddy Dr. Squier

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    Easy choice for me. I have to have maple on Strats and especially Teles or they just look wrong to me.
     
  3. mikm

    mikm Dr. Squier

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    I think the CV50 has Alnico 3 pups and the CV60 has Alnico 5. This would make a difference in sounds more so than the neck differences.
     
  4. Taurus

    Taurus Squier Talker

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    I think I would prefer the Alcino 5 after doing some research, but I was wondering the difference between Rosewood and the Indian Laurel on the specific guitar mainly. The CV50’s would be a different option.
     
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  5. cliffenstein

    cliffenstein Squier Talker

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    Indian Laurel isn’t detrimental in the least for sound or feel, but some people (myself included) hate the way it looks.

    CV50’s with rosewood fretboard would be very wrong and we should all be grateful that Squier didn’t attempt such a thing.
     
  6. Shaytan

    Shaytan Squier-Meister

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    This:

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    Jokes, jokes, but that's what I'd pick...
     
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  7. DougMen

    DougMen Squier-Nut

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    Before switching from the PV Series to the AO series, Fender offered a '59 Strat reissue with rosewood, as that was the year that all Fenders switched to rosewood from maple. So, Squier could offer a CV 50's Strat in maple and rosewood.
     
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  8. cliffenstein

    cliffenstein Squier Talker

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    An entire decade for one year? The CV50’s and CV60’s coincide with Fender’s CS50’s and CS60’s. They did it just right.
     
  9. Mister Noonan

    Mister Noonan Squier-Meister

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    A lot of ebony boards aren't truly as black and uniform as they appear, they are dyed. Wondering - should Squier take a poll of their audience and do something similar with Laurel?
     
  10. Taurus

    Taurus Squier Talker

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    It is gorgeous
     
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  11. Taurus

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    That’s why I was wondering and asked this question... there seems to be negative reviews for the new Indian Laurel. I don’t know if it’s feel or looks that causes it but just wondered why people don’t like it.

    If it is just looks then I don’t see why not they couldn’t just dye it.
     
  12. mikm

    mikm Dr. Squier

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    It pretty much is just looks. Not any real difference between the feel of RW vs IL!
     
  13. Archangelmm

    Archangelmm Squier Talker

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    This is the one I bought, a Classic Vibe 50's Strat, love Maple necks and could not be happier.
     
  14. Taurus

    Taurus Squier Talker

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    For me personally, I absolutely love the look of that CV50’s, not sure which sound I’d prefer. I also love the look of the new Player Series, but not sure about spending about £500 on a guitar

    Read that the Player and the CV60’s have Alcino 5 while the CV50’s has Alcino 3. Not sure which I’d prefer

    Thanks Milkm :) didn’t know the difference
     
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  15. DougMen

    DougMen Squier-Nut

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    Fender made maple neck Strats in the 60's, too. There's no reason that they couldn't offer CV Strats, either 50's or 60's models, with either. After all, they're bolt-on guitars. They could bolt either neck to any color body, and slap either the Alnico 3 or Alnico 5 pickups in. ALL Strats made in the 50s and 60s had Alnico 5 pickups anyway, never Alnico 3s. So, the CV 50s is actually NOT factually period correct.
     
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  16. cliffenstein

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    Well, the CV50 isn’t period correct for a whole host of reasons (fretboard radius, fret size, 12th fret marker spacing, neck thickness, pickguard thickness, pickguard bevel, pickguard middle bottom screw location...there’s probably more issues, but you get the idea). That being so, I concede your point.

    The CV50 and the CV60 being the Squier “version” of Fender’s CS50 and CS60 is how it should be in my view.

    Correction...Squier’s version of Fender’s CP50 and CP60 (Classic Player, not Classic Series).
     
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  17. whaynes3

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    I thought that Indian laurel was a distant cousin to Sacagawea...
     
  18. txflood

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    This is an interesting claim that strats never shipped from Fender with Alnico 3 magnets. The Duchossoir Stratocaster book has a pickup spec table that seems to agree with you, however Tom Wheeler's The Stratocaster Chronicles disagrees by saying the first 1954 strats shipped with Alnico 3.



    This site:
    https://www.theguitarmagazine.com/features/all-about-stratocaster-pickups/

    has this quote:

    The magnetic alloy also changed from alnico 3 on the very earliest ’54 Strats to alnico 5 from 1955 onwards. Alnico 5 continued to be used throughout the vintage era, but around 1974, Fender stopped using staggered slugs. Fender also flipped the polarity in 1959 to 1960, from north up to south up.



    And Fender themselves seem to agree on Alnico 3 originally in 1954 in these articles:

    https://www.fender.com/articles/gea...aster-the-1950s?sf56183102=1&tag=stratocaster

    Other Stratocaster innovations included single-coil alnico 3 pickups with staggered-height pole pieces that effectively addressed the varying output of the heavy string gauges in use at the time, and a slanting output jack mounted on the face of the guitar rather than the side.

    https://shop.fender.com/en-US/acces...gnature-stratocaster-pickups/0992248000.html/


    The neck pickup is based on a '54 Strat pickup with oversized alnico 3 magnets.
     
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  19. Caddy

    Caddy Dr. Squier

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    All Fenders didn't switch to rosewood in 1959. In 1959 rosewood first became an option on Strats, but only as a custom order and at an added cost of course. It was a few years later until it was an option, but without the added cost. Due to them being newer and more expensive in the early and mid 60's they were unlikely to be be seen being used by local teen bands. In fact, I never saw one with rosewood being played by any local bands during my band days back in the late 50's through the early 70's. They still look strange to me for that reason.

    The Jazzmaster and the Jaguar were the the only two Fender guitars to be made with rosewood from their inception and only offered that way back then.
     
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  20. nicod98

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    Rosewood has a lot of variation too.

    I'm convinced that if they would have continued to use the same rosewood, but called it differently, people would still give negative comments. It's not as much the colour or the wood species, it's the idea of change.

    Tried the 'Squier vs Fender' game a few times and people are full of prejudice. In one of those experiments I swapped Affinity pickups with a MIM Standard, and one of the first comments was "you can definitely hear that the MIM has far better pickups", by the same guy that called them junk at the previous gig. I didn't even tell him. I explained later to the rest of the people in the band why I left laughing at that point.

    I'm convinced the same goes for rosewood vs indian laurel or pau ferro.
     
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