Rail split with mini toggle question

Discussion in 'Tech-Talk' started by squierTony, Oct 12, 2019 at 10:37 PM.

  1. squierTony

    squierTony Dr. Squier

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    I have a guitarheads mini rail in my Tele and want to split it with a mini toggle switch. It's a 5 wire pickup so do I just use the wires that are taped together on the switch? The taped wires are red and white.
     
  2. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Squier-holic

    If you use the switch to ground the red-white junction it should do what you want.
     
  3. squierTony

    squierTony Dr. Squier

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    It's a 2 pole switch if that matters..
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  4. mkgearhead

    mkgearhead Squier-holic

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    That should work just fine. One side to ground, one side to the red/white wires.
     
  5. squierTony

    squierTony Dr. Squier

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    So leave the red and white together on one pole
    and ground the other pole?
     
  6. mkgearhead

    mkgearhead Squier-holic

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    Exactly.
     
  7. squierTony

    squierTony Dr. Squier

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    Got it. I'll try it out tomorrow.. Thanks
     
  8. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Squier-holic

    All correct, except that's a single pole, single throw switch, for information's sake. "Pole" refers to a set of switch contacts.
     
  9. squierTony

    squierTony Dr. Squier

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    Ok so I did this and nothing changed in the tone when the switch position is moved. Both positions sound exactly the same.
     
  10. squierTony

    squierTony Dr. Squier

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    I've got

    Black to switch

    Bare copper to top of pot

    Green to top of pot

    Red and white together to switch

    Second pole to ground
     
  11. mkgearhead

    mkgearhead Squier-holic

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  12. squierTony

    squierTony Dr. Squier

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    Tried a new switch and BINGO!!!!!

    Evidently the switch was cr@p...
     
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  13. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Squier-holic

    Nice single coil sound with switch "on"?
     
  14. squierTony

    squierTony Dr. Squier

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    Not really single coil but less power and a slight bit of twang. I thought it would shut off one of the coils but I'm not smart enough to wire it like that lol.
     
  15. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Squier-holic

    It you have it wired corretly, it is indeed shutting off one of the coils. If it's a particularly hot pickup it may not sound like a typical single coil though. I know when I split it, my JB Jr. single coil sized humbucker doesn't sound quite like the original single coil that was in there.

    As @mkgearhead suggested, if you want to post a couple good photos we can check the wiring. You said you have the black and the green going to the top of the pot. The green should go to the pot's end terminal that's not grounded to the pot's case.
     
  16. squierTony

    squierTony Dr. Squier

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    It's all back together now and I really don't want to pull it back apart but the wiring is as I posted above.

    Black to switch

    Bare copper to top of pot

    Green to top of pot

    Red and white together to switch

    Second pole to ground..

    And you may be correct about it shutting one off and not sounding like it. I tapped both blades with a screwdriver and both sounded like they were on but I could definitely be wrong.
     
  17. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Squier-holic

    According to this, you have grounded the green output wire of the pickup. That would result in no sound at all. That's why I questioned it.

    If it's working, you must have connected the green to the hot terminal of the pot (not with the bare wire).
     
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  18. radiotech

    radiotech Dr. Squier

    Apr 23, 2014
    Chicago
    My experience with rail pups is that S/P almost always sounds better than split... and maintains hum cancelling.
     
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