NGD - My first Squier: a Vintage Modified 70s black strat

Discussion in 'Squier Stratocasters' started by BlueSquirrel, Feb 2, 2019.

  1. LOSTVENTURE

    LOSTVENTURE Squier-Nut

    This is a great time to start playing. Even the less costly guitars can be nice players.
    I started in the late 50's, and cheap guitars were terrible. I doubt if they would even pass for decent fire wood.
     
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  2. Eddie

    Eddie Dr. Squier

    Age:
    49
    Nov 5, 2016
    New York
    True that. Inexpensive instruments are actually built very well these days.

    $80 can get me a really good guitar.

    I remember back around 1985 ... my brother purchased a use V for $80 (that's $186 in today's dollars). The guitar literally fell apart on him after a few months. WTH? For $186, I can snag a top notched guitar today ...
     
  3. BlueSquirrel

    BlueSquirrel Squier-Nut

    732
    Dec 21, 2018
    Europe
    You're right! We're spoilt! :)

    If I should change the Squier bridge for the Fender Vintage Style or the GFS, should I also change the rest of the hardware? I was thinking about the trem claw, the springs, the bridge mounting screws and the tremolo arm... Could I reuse the Squier stock parts?

    Thanks a lot for your help!
     
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  4. SpeedKing

    SpeedKing Squier-holic

    Apr 9, 2015
    UK
    You may have to replace the trem arm anyway if it doesn't fit the new block... although if it's too big you can take it to a garage or machinist and just have it rethreaded (if too small you can get the block rethreaded). Somebody here will be able to confirm the correct thread size I'm sure.

    Of course a new arm is pretty cheap anyway.

    As for the rest I personally didn't change anything else other than the tuners and then only because I wanted the vintage correct 'F' style. The old VM ones went onto the Affinity that also got the saddles.

    Claw, screws and springs were left alone.
     
  5. BlueSquirrel

    BlueSquirrel Squier-Nut

    732
    Dec 21, 2018
    Europe
    Ok, great!

    Oh no! Wait!
    Tonight after work I tried to buy a MIM Fender vintage-style bridge (reference number 007-1014-049), but the price has suddenly doubled and it seems out of stock in most places. (WTF?!).

    Is it getting discontinued and are the last ones becoming more expensive as a result? I hope not (I'm afraid I'm getting paranoid, lol!).
     
  6. Guitarmageddon

    Guitarmageddon Dr. Squier

    Sep 27, 2014
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    They don't make it anymore because it was from the discontinued MIM Standard series....

    I see plenty online for about $32.95......but that's in the USA....

    In all honesty though you DO NOT need to change the bridge....you just need to coax the saddles in the right position, look at my VM Surf Strat....same bridge and perfectly lined up....

    BRIDGE.png
     
  7. BlueSquirrel

    BlueSquirrel Squier-Nut

    732
    Dec 21, 2018
    Europe
    When ordering from the USA, the delivery cost + taxes are about 25 to 30 dollars, so that's not worth it imho...

    On the French Amazon website, yesterday evening, there were 5 Fender bridges for 25 euros each (delivery included). There's just one left today and it's 43 euros + shipping cost from Holland...
    Nothing from local shops on eBay. I've just had a quick look at 4 local websites + Thomann, they don't have any.
    If I find one Fender bridge that fit, I might take it just to be on the safe side in case the bridge of my guitar breaks some day.

    Thanks a lot for the picture of your surf strat! BTW it looks like a wonderful guitar!

    Do you mean that on your guitar, the strings are more centered on the saddles compared to the strings on my guitar? I could try to file the saddles a little (I only have nail files, though. I'm not sure it's going to work. If I have to buy a set of specialised metal files, it might cost something close to the price of the bridge).
     
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  8. Guitarmageddon

    Guitarmageddon Dr. Squier

    Sep 27, 2014
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    Yes, it doesn't require any modification. All you do is take a rubber mallet and force the saddles together so they are all touching....then you go one by one loosening each string a little and forcing it to be in the center of each saddle....it's also VERY important that the saddle is level meaning both height adjust screws are even. If it's leaning to one side the string will move.....

    That is a 100% stock bridge
     
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  9. BlueSquirrel

    BlueSquirrel Squier-Nut

    732
    Dec 21, 2018
    Europe
    I wonder what else is being discontinued?
    Could you please make a list if anything else comes to your mind?

    I'd better stock up before everything becomes as "vintage", "rare", "collectible" and "iconic" as old Gibson guitars, lol!
     
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2019
  10. BlueSquirrel

    BlueSquirrel Squier-Nut

    732
    Dec 21, 2018
    Europe
  11. BlueSquirrel

    BlueSquirrel Squier-Nut

    732
    Dec 21, 2018
    Europe
    Right! Thanks a bunch! ;) I'll try that!
     
  12. Tconroy

    Tconroy Squier-Nut

    Age:
    60
    664
    Sep 11, 2015
    kansas city mo
    I watched that video but he sets the relief at .006. I have mine set at .o1o but Im a heavy handed player. The fender specs are at .010 also. Other than that it is a nice video.
     
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  13. The bridge on my first VM was the worst I'd ever seen. Only the G string centered up over the saddle. On the low E side the string was actually ride against the saddle access opening and nearly against the inboard height screw. Simply, they were just to wide and if I centered the strings over the saddles, I would have "cliff hangers" on the fretboard. The intonation springs where pickup high adjustment springso_O Screw head anchor screws had sloppy slots, which could allow the screw driver to slip easily.
    Also, the quality of metal and chrome where inferior to the Fender MIM bridge, so it was swapped out. A failing grade for sure.


    VM70's Bridge.jpg

    Cheers, Barrie.
     
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  14. Tconroy

    Tconroy Squier-Nut

    Age:
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    664
    Sep 11, 2015
    kansas city mo
    wow that looks terrible Barrie! The saddles dont look like they are set right for inotation as far as string length is concerned. The E-B-G strings look ok but the D-A-G string look opposite of what they should be. Maybe thats why the spacing is off. looks like the saddles are too wide.
     
  15. That was as it appeared when I first bought this one, and as mentioned, I swapped it for the Fender bridge.
    Cheers, Barrie.
     
  16. Guitarmageddon

    Guitarmageddon Dr. Squier

    Sep 27, 2014
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    That could have been easily fixed with my method......
     
  17. BlueSquirrel

    BlueSquirrel Squier-Nut

    732
    Dec 21, 2018
    Europe
    I can really understand why you changed it. I think Fender customer service could have reacted to that situation (it's not really a problem on mine. It feels and sound good. It was well-intonated out of the box. I doubt it would make Fender customer service react).

    Anyway, if someone has the same guitar and doesn't want to file the saddles, here is a link to a British shop which has another Fender bridge :
    https://www.customworldguitarparts....ster-chrome-tremolo-logo-saddle-1014-049.html
     
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  18. BlueSquirrel

    BlueSquirrel Squier-Nut

    732
    Dec 21, 2018
    Europe
    I'm not sure of the tremolo arm reference, though. It is the 10/32 thread for MIM? And what could be the thread diameter in millimeters?
     
  19. Guitarmageddon

    Guitarmageddon Dr. Squier

    Sep 27, 2014
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    10/32 is for MIM and USA....there's no MM diameter because it's imperial....

    Your trem arm is probably an M5 or M6 metric thread in the stock VM bridge.....
     
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  20. Simply put, the saddles on that one where too wide. They where should to shoulder tight, and only filing them down would have remedied the problem. Now you've filed off the chrome exposing the metal. It was an inferior product and solved it with a quality MIM Fender replacement.

    My newest VM 70's Vintage White didn't have that problem. Just something to check on when you're buying one.

    Cheers, Barrie.
     
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