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Discussion in 'Squier Offset Guitars' started by chester22, Feb 12, 2018.
what makes these 'jazz' ? do they stink for other music?
The intention of Fender's marketing geniuses at the time thought that Jazz players would like the sound of these guitars. Didn't work out that way. Surf musicians were the first ones to take to it. R&B/Gospel legend Pops Staples played one as well.
It's the best guitar for Surf music, IMO. Also popular with many modern rock bands today. Personally, it's my favorite guitar, and I don't play Jazz.
One of my favorite bands using their Jazzmasters....
Some of the elements that Fender, I think, thought would appeal to jazz players was the offset body design giving it a "jazzy" look. In addition it was supposed to have a mellower sound than other Fenders at the time, essentially the Duo Sonic, Telecaster and Stratocaster, because of the special designed pickups, the addition of the rhythm circuit and being the first Fender with a rosewood fingerboard.
Another name changer was Fender's Bassman amp. I understand the first Bassmans, marketed just to bass players, had a 15-inch speaker but were later redesigned with the iconic 4x10-inch speaker configuration, an obvious nod to the fact that guitarists and harp players were using the amp a lot.
Well, plenty of rock guitarists have used them, even Troy Van Leuwan of QOTSA and Jay Mascis of Dino Jr., so no they are not just good for Jazz.
The Jazzmaster was supposed to take over as top seller by Fender when they first introduced it. That’s what I read somewhere, anyway.
Ya you're right. It was supposed to be Fender's top model.
Well a few are missing the mark, or rather, incomplete. But this has need written about ad infinitum all over the place.
Fender was successful in country music markets and the newer rock and roll sound, pop.. But they wanted to challenge Gibson and Epiphone, Gretsch for the "serious musician" and the professional jazz and studio players.
The idea of moving the bridge more to the middle and shifting the whole center of the guitar. tied to the offset waist and contours, made it comfortable to play. The additional circuitry was to allow easy tone changes and settings. True, the Jazzmaster pickups allow a field that is more spread out, less concentrated, than a Tele or Strat, so that seemed favorable to jazz tones.
But it was also too much and too out there and different to be accepted (in general) by jazz players. They were actually fine with large jazz boxes and a single mellow pickup at the sweet spot.
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The offset body shape, along with looking cool, was designed to work better than the standard shape for a sitting player -- placing the neck when the guitar rested on the leg, in the optimal playing position.
The PUPS had/have wider and shallower coils. Thus they pick up their signal from a greater area of each string. (Think of the difference between the bridge and neck PUP -- the ratio of highs to low, the mixing in of more overtones.)
The trem bar/bridge, too, aimed for subtlety along with sonic richness.
Hard rockers often like them mostly for their cool body shape and quite often change the rest. Different PUPS. Different switches. Different bridge.
I especially like 'em for surf and the music of the Ventures. But half of that is their historic association with that music. For sound along I think they can be made to work for almost anything.
They feel great in the hands while standing, too, btw.
It should be called the Hipmaster now.
I want a Telemaster. Those are too cool
AMERICAS NEXT TOP MODEL
Then the Jaguar!
johnny marr please
jmarr vs TVL JM
Jazzmasters and other offsets became popular with rocker types because of their lack of popularity. They were snubbed by mainstream musicians who preferred strats, teles, or LPs. So grung, garage, and punk guys could get a Jazzmaster much cheaper than a Strat or Tele.
<———— I play Jazz on mine.
This a troll post?
I don’t care for guitar stereotypes, though each design type will have benefits/costs for a given style. John McLaughlin used a Duo Sonic or Mustang (or both) for In A Silent Way and Bitches Brew, FWIW mentioning.
Jazzmasters are tone machines and great fun to play. Here’s a couple tone samples of my Squier VM Jazzmaster and stock pickups.
Clean with reverb:
Same guitar with drive/fuzz:
Griz, that LBS cover was smoking. Excellent and even better with the kids I bet.
Thanks ElRey. Yeah, memories like these are more valuable than even the mintiest ‘59 LP.
What reverb did you use, if I may ask?
It’s been a while, but I think that was my DigiTech RP multi unit that I have in my effects loop. It has a Fender Twin Reverb modeler with a decent spring reverb sim.
Otherwise it would have been my TC HOF pedal, but that pedal doesn’t splash quite as much so I doubt it.