I now have a chance to put something right...

Discussion in 'Music, Theory, Tab and Such' started by sooper8, Apr 14, 2018.

  1. sooper8

    sooper8 Squier-Meister

    Mar 13, 2012
    I play the guitar and have done for a long time, but got into a bad habit of never playing/practising with a metronome or beat. The result is that I am very sloppy and struggle a bit when I do play along with others or when I record.

    I have just taken up playing the piano, and surprisingly , after the first couple of weeks am really progressing and think that my sparse guitar theory must have sunk in deeper than I knew.

    Anyway, the point of this thread is to say that I am practising with a beat/click/tracks most of the time to prevent me being sloppy on the timing. It's a tricky and I lapse back to freestyle noodling now and again as it is so relaxing. But I am aiming not to make the mistake I made on guitar of being lazy instead of structured practise.

    If you could go back and learn an instrument, what thing would you do different second time around?
  2. Undone

    Undone Squier-Meister

    Feb 13, 2018
    I would have spent more time studying chord structure than scales and modes. Just my experience. So many two and three note vamps out there!
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  3. Triple Jim

    Triple Jim Squier-holic

    It's interesting that you mentioned piano. I studied classical piano for ten years when I was in 2nd through 12th grades. Later when learning Guitar, and even Morse Code, timing was second nature to me. I was talking to another ham via Morse Code once, at a fairly high speed, and he asked if I was a musician. He said he was, and that I was playing the rests perfectly, going on to say that when he hears good timing, the guy sending it is usually a musician.
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  4. DoctorBB

    DoctorBB Squier-Nut

    Mar 2, 2016
    Beaumont, TX
    Chord inversions and notes on a fretboard. Was in all-state choir in school and can sight read and sing it all day long. Finding the notes on a fretboard, that’s a different animal.
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  5. dbrian66

    dbrian66 Squier-holic

    Jul 14, 2017
    Maryland, USA
    Music theory and how to read music.
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  6. ElRey67

    ElRey67 Squier-holic

    Jan 10, 2016
    Chandler, AZ
    All of the above. I wish my parents would have steered me to piano or guitar or something musical. But I was a true artist as a kid. So I know they nurtured that with me. I drew and painted everywhere. Inside of closets, were 3 blank canvases for me. If you opened a closet in my house, you'd likely find a mural done in crayon and paint....like a huge BatMan or a football player or a Kiss member.
    But I digress.
    I would have liked to learn piano or guitar as a kid.
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  7. Lonn

    Lonn Administrator Staff Member

    Dec 19, 2009
    Carmel IN
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    My ancient RP100 has 30 drum loops. I sometimes put one on just for timing.
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  8. Redwhiteandblues

    Redwhiteandblues Squier-Nut

    Mar 28, 2018
    North idaho
    I struggle with timing as well my weakest point. I try and learn songs now with the backing track or along with the orignal.
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  9. HDCornerCarver

    HDCornerCarver Squier-Meister

    Mar 18, 2017
    Lake George, NY
    I'm still a novice at best, and my timing totally sucks. I really need to go back and practice playing rhythm with a metronome or backing tracks, but I keep noodling half the time in an attempt to play leads.

    I wish I'd started playing when I was younger, but here we are. I do seem to learn much better jamming with others, but my location limits that. Seems few play instruments in my area.
  10. Papa Joe

    Papa Joe Squier-Axpert

    Dec 12, 2009
    Swanton Ohio
    My weakest part of playing is timing..I need a strong drums or bass to hold me in line..
    If I could start all over I'd learn more theory and timing..
  11. Davis Sharp

    Davis Sharp Dr. Squier

    Jan 7, 2016
    Maryland, USA
    Reading music.

    I can generally play with a metronome with a little practice and focus. But reading music would open so many doors.
  12. so1om

    so1om Dr. Squier

    Feb 10, 2010
    Great topic.

    For me, I don’t think I would change much. I took piano at an early age, I learned a lot on my own, especially guitar and bass. But 2 things stand out. One is chord melody and structuring of chords to slip in the diminished, the augmented, those key 7th and 9ths etc. And while I can hear most rock and country songs and be playing along well enough one time through, after a couple I’ll really have it down, it’s those things like “Fly Me to The Moon” and that style…

    A little more on the less tangible, is just letting go and being in the moment to playing and expression. Too much structure and regimentation are not good for where you need to be creative. I wish I had embraced that much sooner.

    Funny thing. My old friend sent me a link to a couple videos of this 19 year old kid playing some hot country licks. Fabulous playing, I can’t do it to be sure. But I also stopped watching after less than a minute. Impressive playing, but it doesn’t move me. It doesn’t do anything that someone with countless hours of practice couldn’t do.
  13. wildelectric

    wildelectric Squier-Nut

    Sep 23, 2016
    Western Illinois
    Unless one plans on becoming a professional session guitarist (good luck with that these days), I never bought into the absolute need to learn music theory for playing guitar.

    A study by Drs. Crump and Logan in the journal Music Perception; an Interdisciplinary Journal found that guitarists learn their skills differently than most other musicians, specifically through auditory, visual, and kinesthetic representations. Visual learning was dominant, especially when watching themselves or other guitarists play. I have the study in PDF if anyone is interested.

    Playing with other musicians more would have been beneficial when I first to learn the guitar. I got to where I wanted, but I think that would have gotten me there a little faster.
  14. Toddcaster64

    Toddcaster64 Squier-holic

    Apr 1, 2013
    Ten years of piano here before picking up a guitar. I’ve said it before, mom said one day you’ll thank me (there was lots of screaming)...she was so right. Chord structure, timing, bass, developing an ear - piano really covers it all. The only thing I’d do differently would be to pursue playing with others far earlier than I did.
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